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Bane Nucleus
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Posted - 2014.04.14 04:29:00 -
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As a permanent wormhole space resident, I can safely say cloaked ships die all the time. They aren't some indestructible ship. That is an excuse used by people who are either too impatient to wait and kill him or don't like feeling "unsafe".
Right now, I am fairly certain there are about 10-15 neutral, cloaky scouts camped in our wormhole at all times. We still make a ton of isk, do a ton of gassing, and various other pve activities. We also have an active group of pilots ready to come to the aid of anyone caught by a pvp ship/gang.
Teamwork.....it really works!
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Bane Nucleus
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Sky Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.04.14 11:07:00 -
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Solo ratting happens all the time in wormhole space. I am not sure where you get that it doesn't. Also, a huge majority of wormhole isk is made in wormholes OTHER than the home wormhole. Farming statics and even down chain is very common, so a lot of times help is a few minutes away. The only difference is we don't whine about who might be afk or who might not be.
Suck it up buttercup. Eve is unsafe which is why it's so fantastic.
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Bane Nucleus
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Posted - 2014.04.14 22:13:00 -
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I love it when people try to imply that pvp only means good fights. Player versus player does not imply equal terms or consent. You are a player getting shot by another player(s). Welcome to PvP.
Secondly, you are correct. A cloaky in wormhole space does not have the same instant force projection that a cyno provides. That doesn't mean the cloak is all mighty and powerful. It means the cyno on the cloaky is what causes the real threat. Take away the cyno on a cloaky and all 5 people who think cloaking is broken wouldn't complain.
Lastly, I freely admit that I do not live in, nor have I ever lived in null. However, don't sit here and try to change a mechanic that would single handedly change the game play for an entire region of space, which offers something unique to all of Eve. Changing something to appease 5 whiners while destroying the game play for thousands is idiotic, at best.
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Bane Nucleus
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Sky Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:42:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:
I love it when people try to redefine the meaning of PvP. Player vs Player implies the ability for both sides to change the outcome by player input. You are a database item owned by a player being shot by lots of players and have no practical means to change the outcome. Welcome to not PvP.
PvP simply means player vs player. At no point does it state anything about the circumstances of the interaction. It's simply one player against another. Sorry you don't like it and it doesn't work with your argument, but that's what it is.
Mag's wrote:
You may think that's what it implies, but PvP is merely regarding competition. No where does it state or imply, that that competition has to be fair.
Welcome to PvP.
This guy gets it
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Bane Nucleus
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Sky Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:54:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:
No player vs player means player vs player. By your skewed and incorrect definition shooting a player owned GSC is PvP. Maybe in your risk averse world but in the real world nope.
Gotta watch out for those piloted GSCs! I really hope you are trolling and that you aren't so dense lol
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Bane Nucleus
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Sky Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.04.15 03:18:00 -
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I was waiting to see how long it would take for you to show up here, Mike 
Mike Voidstar wrote:
A) This is the same for all ships. Cloaks should not be exempt. Those that rely on speed instead of stealth have the same problem. The true problem here is your choice of target, stop hunting people that rely on evasion and you will have an easier time catching them.
Any ship in space is a target, regardless if they can defend themselves adequately or not. As a cloaked ships, I cannot activate hardeners, shoot, or do anything of the sort. Once I decloak to become aggressive, my tank and dps is significantly gimped to allow for cloaking. Even most T3 fits that scan and cloak are severely diminished in regards to offensive and defensive capabilities. Being stealthy and sneaky comes at a great price.
Mike Voidstar wrote:
B)You cannot hide in a POS with perfect safety. Awox happens. Cloaks are actually safer than in a POS.
True. POS's are not totally secure. However, if you are having to worry about possibly being awoxed, a cloaky scout is the least of your problems 
Mike Voidstar wrote:
C)Stations are designed intentionally as the only place your ship should be completely safe, and in Null sec the station can change hands and thus effectively lose you access to your property by being unable to move it out.
They can change hands with some effort and time. Hell, NPC space you don't have to worry about it at all.
Mike Voidstar wrote:
D) For local to be an effective tool of evasion, you must defend your space.
Completely and utterly incorrect. There is no defending your space when you see one person jump in local, and a 30 man mackinaw fleet aligns and warps to safety before anyone has the time to even find out where they are. There is no defending anything there.
Mike Voidstar wrote:
Local does not need cloaks to balance it, it is balanced on it's own by being a tool that demands an attentive, active player to use and the efforts of many to remain viable. By contrast cloaks demand almost no tradeoffs for complete immunity to non-consensual action of any kind.
I'd call a weak tank, weak dps, and the ability to use no modules while cloaked a pretty severe trade off.
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Bane Nucleus
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Posted - 2014.04.15 05:07:00 -
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Cloaked ships are always targets the second they decide to become aggressive. I've made the point before that cloakys are working perfectly, to which people responded "because they can't fit cynos". That right there explains the true issue with what you are trying to say.
If CCP made players choose between fitting a cyno or fitting a cloak, would it even be an issue for you?
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